Talk:Inside Climate News

Some proposed changes

Dear Wiki -

   I work for InsideClimate and hoping to update our info box to start as some information is incorrect or outdated. Proposed change below. 

Founded: 2007 Type: 501(c)(3) - Non-profit online national news outlet Website: insideclimatenews.org Logo: [[File:Https://www.google.com/search?q=insideclimate+news+and+logo&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI-d 2g6vZAhUomeAKHSeWAi8Q AUIDCgD&biw=1280&bih=609|thumb]] Focus: Investigative and daily climate, energy, environment news Headquarters: Brooklyn, NY Staff: 15 Key People: David Sassoon, [], Founder and Publisher

           Stacy Feldman, [], Co-founder and Executive Editor                             

[ Lawrence Rodman], Board Chair / Norman Pearlstine], Board member

Bethdaley (talk) 18:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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Edit Request 22-FEB-2018

Dear wiki, I am requesting a changed info box to update and more accurately reflect the organization I work for. The template is below. with the correct information. I copied the template from another non-profit newsroom, Propublica. Can someone review and implement? I am also requesting some other changes to the article under a new topic to make the article more accurate. Thank you!

InsideClimate News

Founded	2007
Founder	David Sassoon
Type	501(c)(3), Non-profit online national news outlet
Focus	Investigative and daily climate, energy, environment news
Location	Brooklyn, NY
Area served	United States
Key people	David Sassoon, Founder and Publisher, Stacy Feldman, Co-founder and Executive Editor, Lawrence Rodman, Board chair, Norman Pearstine, Board member.
Employees	15
Website	insideclimatenews.org

Bethdaley (talk) 12:32, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 22-FEB-2018

 Change to Organization infobox approved and implemented. Spintendo      16:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request - Changes to Wiki page to update and correct

Dear Wiki, I work for InsideClimate News and our wiki page is very out of date and hoping eds can review our factual changes with references and implement thank you. We kept much of the original language in the post but added to it and made corrections. We will request a new section about notable work on that topic page unless we should put it here. We also requested a new info box.

INTRO

InsideClimate News is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan news organization, focusing on environmental journalism.[2] The publication writes that it "covers clean energy, carbon energy, nuclear energy and environmental science—plus the territory in between where law, policy and public opinion are shaped.” Established in 2007, the Brooklyn, New York-based nonprofit newsroom quickly became respected by the science and environmental community for its coverage of environmental issues.

In 2013, it won the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting for its investigation into the million-gallon spill of Canadian tar sands oil into the Kalamazoo River. In 2016, it was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for Exxon: The Road Not Taken, an investigation of the company’s four-decade engagement with climate change.

As of February 2018, InsideClimate News had a staff of 15, including 7 fulltime reporters. In addition to investigations and other long-form journalism, InsideClimate News produces original daily news stories and analyses, two daily emails that curate headlines on climate and clean energy from around the Web, and two weekly newsletters of original content. Like other nonprofit news organizations, InsideClimate News publishes its content for free on the Web, collaborates with local and national news organizations that republish the nonprofit's work with credit, and aims "to tackle topics that bigger, better-known news organizations are not equipped or inclined to do."[4] It has worked with partners to report investigative stories together, including the Center for Public Integrity and The Weather Channel. InsideClimate News has partnered with dozens of different news organizations, won three dozen journalism awards, and published eight e-books of its work.

In July 2018, InsideClimate News will launch its inaugural Institute for Environmental Journalism program for high school students and recent graduates, part of its broader mission to train the next generation of environmental journalists. The 15-day journalism institute will be held in Brooklyn, New York and will teach the fundamentals of journalism, as well as climate science, clean energy technology, environmental justice and news literacy. It is also working to establish a national reporting network to strengthen environmental journalism across the country.

History

InsideClimate News was founded as a blog called SolveClimate News in 2007 by publisher David Sassoon and Stacy Feldman, who became executive editor in 2015. The name reflected the reality at the time: Bipartisan efforts and legislation to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions were gaining traction in Congress, and the economic case for business action on climate change was growing. In 2009, InsideClimate News formed a media partnership with Reuters, which distributed its content. https://www.reuters.com/news/archive/solveClimateNews It later formed similar content partnerships with McClatchy Company, Bloomberg and The Guardian, which helped raise the publication’s profile and extend its reach. In 2011, Susan White, a former senior editor at the investigative nonprofit organization ProPublica, was hired as its first executive editor. Concurrent with her appointment, the news organization changed its name to InsideClimate News, to better reflect the investigative mission it would pursue.

InsideClimate News is staffed by professional journalists and editors who previously worked for (among others): The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The San Diego Union-Tribune, National Geographic, ProPublica and Frontline. The publication's staff includes managing editor and reporter John H. Cushman Jr., who worked for 35 years as a writer and editor in Washington, D.C., principally with the Washington bureau of The New York Times, and senior correspondent Neela Banerjee, formerly a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.

InsideClimate News covers a range of topics in its daily coverage, including: climate change politics and policy, climate denial, climate science, extreme weather, environmental justice, coal, natural gas and fracking, clean energy, pipelines, activism, the Arctic, sea level rise, agriculture, among others.

In 2017, Undark, a science magazine, wrote that “the New York Times and Washington Post now are trying to catch up” to InsideClimate News and Climate Central on climate change coverage.

Awards

Awards

     ICN has won many of the most prestigious awards in journalism awarded to its reporters by juries of their peers. Since 2012 it has won 36 awards and recognitions including the 2013 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting for The Dilbit Disaster and a 2016 Pulitzer Prize  finalist designation for Exxon: The Road Not Taken. 
      ICN’s  Exxon work also won the 2016 Scripps Howard Award for Environmental Reporting, the Izzy Award, The National Press Foundation's Thomas L. Stokes Award for Best Energy Writing, the Society of American Business Editors and Writers award, the Society of Professional Journalists Sigma Delta Chi award for informational graphics, the White House Correspondents Association Edgar A. Poe Award, the Robert F. Kennedy New Media award, the John B. Oakes Award, the Society of Environmental Journalists Kevin Carmody award for in-depth reporting small market and the Online Journalism Association Al Neuharth Innovation in Investigative Journalism Award,  small market. It was also a finalist for the Goldsmith Prize for Investigative Reporting. 
      ICN's collaborative work with The Center for Public Integrity and The Weather Channel in 2014 for Big Oil Bad Air won the Knight-Risser Prize for Western Environmental Journalism, the Society of Environmental Journalists Kevin Carmody Award for in-depth reporting large market, The National Press Foundation's Thomas L. Stokes Award for Best Energy Writing and the Society of Professional Journalists Sigma Delta Chi award for informational graphics and the Association of Health Care Journalists large investigative category, Editor & Publisher EPPY award for best investigative/enterprise feature on a website. The series was also a finalist for the John B. Oakes Award and a Loeb Award.  and the Investigative Reporters and Editors large multimedia award.
    In 2015, Meltdown: Terror at the Top of the World won second place in the feature category of the Society of Environmental Reporters and was a finalist for the Livingston Awards, national reporting. 
     In addition to winning a Pulitzer Prize for The Dilbit Disaster, InsideClimate was awarded the Aronson Award for Social Justice and was a finalist for the Scripps Howard Award for Environmental Reporting and was given an honorable mention for the John B. Oakes Award for Distinguished Environmental Journalism.  ICN has also won numerous other regional journalism awards.

Bethdaley (talk) 14:58, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

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 No action Article additions such as these are generally made concomitant to subtractions, with newer content replacing older content at, or nearly at, the same time. By placing only additions in your edit request, the article's subtractions — although implied through their absence — are not fully explained with reasons for their removal. In order to proceed, kindly provide a listing of what is to be removed along with the above additions, taking care to include the reasons for removal, at your earliest convenience. Spintendo      16:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you I will do best Beth

Bethdaley (talk) 18:09, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

Dear Wiki, I am reposting the above request with explanations for taking out incorrect information (at end). I also worked around existing material better. Sorry, first time and still getting hang of this.

INTRO

InsideClimate News is an independent, non-profit, non-partisan news organization, focusing on environmental journalism.[2] The publication writes that it "covers clean energy, carbon energy, nuclear energy and environmental science—plus the territory in between where law, policy and public opinion are shaped.” Established in 2007, the Brooklyn, New York-based nonprofit newsroom quickly became respected by the science and environmental community for its coverage of environmental issues.

In 2013, it won the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting for its investigation into the million-gallon spill of Canadian tar sands oil into the Kalamazoo River. [11] In 2016, it was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize [12]for Public Service for Exxon: The Road Not Taken, an investigation of the company’s four-decade engagement with climate change.

As of February 2018, InsideClimate News had a staff of 15, including 7 fulltime reporters. [13] In addition to investigations and other long-form journalism, InsideClimate News produces original daily news stories and analyses, two daily emails that curate headlines on climate and clean energy from around the Web, and two weekly newsletters of original content. [14]Like other nonprofit news organizations, InsideClimate News publishes its content for free on the Web, collaborates with local and national news organizations that republish the nonprofit's work with credit, and aims "to tackle topics that bigger, better-known news organizations are not equipped or inclined to do."[4] It has worked with partners to report investigative stories together, including the Center for Public Integrity and The Weather Channel. [15] InsideClimate News has partnered with dozens of different news organizations, won three dozen journalism awards, and published eight e-books of its work.

In July 2018, InsideClimate News will launch its inaugural Institute for Environmental Journalism program [16]for high school students and recent graduates, part of its broader mission to train the next generation of environmental journalists. [17]The 15-day journalism institute will be held in Brooklyn, New York and will teach the fundamentals of journalism, as well as climate science, clean energy technology, environmental justice and news literacy. It is also working to establish a national reporting network to strengthen environmental journalism across the country.

History

InsideClimate News was founded as a blog called SolveClimate News in 2007 by publisher David Sassoon and Stacy Feldman, who became executive editor in 2015. In 2009, InsideClimate News formed a media partnership with Reuters, which distributed its content. https://www.reuters.com/news/archive/solveClimateNews It later formed similar content partnerships with McClatchy Company, Bloomberg and The Guardian, which helped raise the publication’s profile and extend its reach. In 2011, Susan White, a former senior editor at the investigative nonprofit organization ProPublica, was hired as its first executive editor. Concurrent with her appointment, the organization changed its name to InsideClimate News "to counter the perception that it was an environmental advocacy organization" and to better reflect the investigative mission it would pursue. [18]

InsideClimate News's model is similar to that of ProPublica and the Center for Investigative Reporting, which have similarly gained recognition.[8] Like the other two organizations, InsideClimate News publishes its content for free on the Web, collaborates with for-profit news organizations that republish some of the nonprofit's work with credit, and aims "to tackle topics that bigger, better-known news organizations are not equipped or inclined to do."[8]

InsideClimate News is staffed by professional journalists and editors who previously worked for (among others): The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, [19] [20]The Los Angeles Times, [21]The San Diego Union-Tribune,[22] National Geographic, [23]ProPublica and Frontline. [24]The publication's staff includes managing editor and reporter John H. Cushman Jr., who worked for 35 years as a writer and editor in Washington, D.C., principally with the Washington bureau of The New York Times, and senior correspondent Neela Banerjee, formerly a reporter for the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. [25]

InsideClimate News covers a range of topics in its daily coverage, including: climate change politics and policy, climate denial, climate science, extreme weather, environmental justice, coal, natural gas and fracking, clean energy, pipelines, activism, the Arctic, sea level rise, agriculture, among others. [26]

In 2017, Undark, a science magazine, [27]wrote that “the New York Times and Washington Post now are trying to catch up” to InsideClimate News and Climate Central on climate change coverage. [28]

Awards

Awards [29]

    Since 2012 InsideClimate News has won 36 national and regional journalism awards and recognitions.[31] Three InsideClimate News reporters—Elizabeth McGowan, Lisa Song, and David Hasemyer—won the 2013 Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting for their series of "rigorous reports" on the Kalamazoo River oil spill in Michigan, in which an Enbridge oil pipeline spill led to the costliest onshore oil spill in American history.[6][9] The Pulitzer citation praised the reporters for exporting the aftermath of the 2010-2012 oil spill and "flawed regulation of the nation's oil pipelines, focusing on potential ecological dangers posed by diluted bitumen (or 'dilbit'), a controversial form of oil."[9][8][10]

In April 2016, InsideClimate News was named a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service, that is, "a distinguished example of meritorious public service by a newspaper or news site" for the 2015 Exxon: The Road Not Taken series, "a probe into a major oil company's decades-long misinformation campaign to muddy the debate over climate change."[11][12] InsideClimate News was awarded a 2015 Sigma Delta Chi Award for excellence in journalism by the Society of Professional Journalists for the informational graphics in the Exxon: The Road Not Taken series, which "provide a visual timeline of Exxon's views and efforts on climate change since the 1970s, and evidence of its uncertainty campaigns in the 1990s and 2000s."[13][14] The White House Correspondents Association awarded InsideClimate News a share in the 2016 Edgar A. Poe Award, which annually honors "excellence in news coverage of subjects and events of significant national or regional importance, written with fairness and objectivity," for the Exxon: The Road Not Taken series.[15][16]

     ICN’s Exxon work also won the 2016 Scripps Howard Award for Environmental Reporting, [32]the Izzy Award, [33]The National Press Foundation's Thomas L. Stokes Award for Best Energy Writing,[34] the Society of American Business Editors and Writers award, [36] [37]the Robert F. Kennedy New Media award, [38]the John B. Oakes Award, [39]the Society of Environmental Journalists Kevin Carmody award for in-depth reporting small market [40]and the Online Journalism Association Al Neuharth Innovation in Investigative Journalism Award, [41] small market. It was also a finalist for the Goldsmith Prize for Investigative Reporting. [42]
     ICN's collaborative work with The Center for Public Integrity and The Weather Channel in 2014 for Big Oil Bad Air won the Knight-Risser Prize for Western Environmental Journalism, [43]the Society of Environmental Journalists Kevin Carmody Award for in-depth reporting large market, [44]The National Press Foundation's Thomas L. Stokes Award for Best Energy Writing and the Association of Health Care Journalists large investigative category, [47]Editor & Publisher EPPY award for best investigative/enterprise feature on a website. [48]The series was also a finalist for the John B. Oakes Award [49], a Loeb Award [50] and the Investigative Reporters and Editors large multimedia award.[51]
   In 2015, Meltdown: Terror at the Top of the World won second place in the feature category of the Society of Environmental Reporters [52]and was a finalist for the Livingston Awards, national reporting. [53]
    In addition to winning a Pulitzer Prize for The Dilbit Disaster, InsideClimate was awarded the Aronson Award for Social Justice [54]and was a finalist for the Scripps Howard Award for Environmental Reporting [55]and was given an honorable mention for the John B. Oakes Award [56]for Distinguished Environmental Journalism.  ICN has also won numerous other regional journalism awards.[57]

EXPLANATIONS FOR SPECIFIC SUBTRACTIONS 1. Under History. Stacy Feldman is no longer managing editor but executive editor. 2. Moved explanation of name change to follow chronologically. 3. Took out 7 staff members and budget of $550,000 because we added in correct number of staff and budget (in info box) 4. Took out In 2017, Marianne Lavelle - an InsideClimate News writer - was honored as a recipient of the SEAL Environmental Journalism Award.[17]. The Seal award appears bogus, we did not apply for it, Marianne did not accept it and it is a suspect award. It is run by a for-profit company that does not fully disclose.

Thank you! Beth Bethdaley (talk) 12:25, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 23-FEB-2018

I have removed the Lavelle claim. The other information above is difficult to discern what specifically is being requested. There is no clear direction for any singular part of the above request. The exception to this is the information which I asked regarding removal, and I was able to act on that part of your request, which specifically recommends removal of the Lavelle claim. The other directions are unclear. I would recommend that singular requests be placed individually for maximum effect. I stand here ready to review them, if that is your wish. If your wish is to proceed with the request in bulk as it remains now, simply reactivate the request template and another editor will assist you from the request queue. Regards, Spintendo      14:51, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit request 23-FEB-2018

Dear Wiki, Thank you for your help with the info box. I did not put in a logo but would someone add it to the info box please?

it is here

InsideClimate News logo

thank you! Bethdaley (talk) 00:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Also please fix the spelling of Norman Pearlstine's name. It is Pearlstine, not Peastine thank you! Bethdaley (talk) 00:07, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Reply 23-FEB-2018

 Approved and corrected. Also, please make sure that new edit requests are always placed further down on the talk page, and that they are always given a new level 2 heading. Thank you Spintendo      01:14, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request 26-FEB-2018

Than you so much for your help. Here is a list of additions and subtractions in the Intro section. If I did it right, I'll move on to the history section next. Thank you and sorry for so much back and forth.

INTRO ADDITION REQUEST after noting we won the Pulitzer Prize in 2013 to reflect up to date information: In 2016, it was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for Public Service for Exxon: The Road Not Taken, an investigation of the company’s four-decade engagement with climate change.

ADDITION REQUEST for next graph to better give an updated overview of what we do.

As of February 2018, InsideClimate News had a staff of 15, including 7 fulltime reporters. [13] In addition to investigations and other long-form journalism, InsideClimate News produces original daily news stories and analyses, two daily emails that curate headlines on climate and clean energy from around the Web, and two weekly newsletters of original content. [14]Like other nonprofit news organizations, InsideClimate News publishes its content for free on the Web, collaborates with local and national news organizations that republish the nonprofit's work with credit, and aims "to tackle topics that bigger, better-known news organizations are not equipped or inclined to do."[4] It has worked with partners to report investigative stories together, including the Center for Public Integrity and The Weather Channel. [15] InsideClimate News has partnered with dozens of different news organizations, won three dozen journalism awards, and published eight e-books of its work.

In July 2018, InsideClimate News will launch its inaugural Institute for Environmental Journalism program [16]for high school students and recent graduates, part of its broader mission to train the next generation of environmental journalists. [17]The 15-day journalism institute will be held in Brooklyn, New York and will teach the fundamentals of journalism, as well as climate science, clean energy technology, environmental justice and news literacy. It is also working to establish a national reporting network to strengthen environmental journalism across the country.

PLEASE DELETE the following out of the History section because it is no longer true: As of 2013, InsideClimate News had a small staff of seven full-time employees and an annual budget of about $550,000.[8]

Thank you again. Bethdaley (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

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Reply quotebox with inserted reviewer decisions and feedback 26-FEB-2018

Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted and individual advisory messages – either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposals – have been inserted underneath each major proposal. Please see the Notes section at the bottom of the quotebox for additional information about each request. Spintendo      23:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Renamed in December 2020

The site underwent a redesign in December 2020 and also changed its name from InsideClimate News to Inside Climate News (note the spacing between the first two words)—compare, for example, this Wayback Machine snapshot from 12:06, 8 December 2020 (UTC) and this one from 13:24.

(I am posting this on the talk page because edit summaries do not support external links.) Kleinpecan (talk) 14:53, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Mentioning a criticism

On 1 February 2020 I added: A 2015 article by Jillian Melchior in National Review said there are questions about InsideClimate News's possible conflict of interest and bias." with a quote and a cite to the article InsideClimate News: Journalism or Green PR? InsideClimate News: Journalism or Green PR?. On 26 August 2022 Stjn removed it with edit summary = "History: an opinion piece that in current wording is just casting assertions using sources from climate denialist activists, does not seem to be passing WP:DUE". I object to Stjn's removal because: if it was an opinion piece it would still be okay per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV, the article cites both fans and critics, the sources include tax filings and corporation registries, the quote from the ethics export for the Society of Professional Journalists doesn't sound like activism for anything except proper journalism, the quote from the CEO of Charity Navigator doesn't sound like activism for anything except reduction of evasion, the quote from Steve Everley is certainly from a pro-petrol guy but even if that is what is meant by "climate denialist activists" it's not what the criticism is based on. I maintain that re-inserting a short sentence in this article that isn't praise or ultimately sourced to Inside Climate News itself is at least as due as the rest of the article and is a tiny step toward balance. Any other opinions? Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

You’ve added an extremely vague statement with a link to a potentially partisan source. This vague statement was casting aspersions (sorry for the typo) on Inside Climate News without clarifying what that meant. ‘[Said] that there are questions about possible conflict of interest and bias’ is not a proper way to word criticism in an article (since there’s nothing substantive about it, just vagueness), especially if you attribute it in a more vague way as opposed to something more direct as described in WP:RSOPINION. stjn 14:32, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Edits on October 7

The Cunctator on 7 October 2024 edited. I on 7 October 2024 partially reverted. The Cunctator on 10 October 2024 reverted the reversion without seeking consensus on this talk page. One effect: the group's claims about itself, which were in quotes and in-text attributed to the group, are replaced by a no-quotes statement in wikivoice with no in-text attribution. Another effect: the correct statement that "three of its staff members" won a Pulitzer is replaced by the incorrect statement that the "organization" won a Pulitzer. (A check of https://www.pulitzer.org/prize-winners-by-year/2013 shows that the Pulitzer folks do award to whole organizations e.g. "Sun Sentinel" but did not do so for InsideClimateNews, the award was to "Lisa Song, Elizabeth McGowan and David Hasemyer of InsideClimateNews".) Another effect: the group's announcement that it was doing something nice, with no evidence that the world cares, is back. I am asking for others to look at the change and approve or disapprove. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

You made your reverts without explanation. I checked - saying an organization won a Pulitzer when it was awarded to its staff is standard practice. See List of Pulitzer Prizes awarded to The New York Times, List of Pulitzer Prizes awarded to The Washington Post, the opening description in The Wall Street Journal ("The newspaper has won 39 Pulitzer Prizes."), The Kansas City Star ("Published since 1880, the paper is the recipient of eight Pulitzer Prizes."), etc. The Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting always cites specific reporters (or "staff"). I have no idea what "the group's announcement that it was doing something nice, with no evidence that the world cares, is back" is referring to, and I don't understand your grudge against the organization. --The Cunctator (talk) 12:51, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Pulitzer says "A Pulitzer Prize winner may be an individual, a group of individuals, or a news organization's staff." In this case they didn't say it was the organization (as they did for "Sun Sentinel") they didn't say it was the staff (as they did for "Staff of the Denver Post") they named a group of individuals. For the rest: I am asking for others to look at the change and approve or disapprove. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:19, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Again, unless you're planning to edit potentially hundreds of Wikipedia pages to change the *standard practice* of what "The New York Times|Washington Post|Wall Street Journal|Kansas City Star &etc. won a Pulitzer" means, I really don't understand your point. I'm sure you're making this argument in good faith, and I'm glad you care so much about rigor. But as even a cursory review of how other publications are treated reviews, the statement that ICN was awarded a Pulitzer is not inaccurate, dishonest, puffery, or promotional language; it's factual and NPOV. --The Cunctator (talk) 16:15, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Unless someone else comments, this point will be a dispute between two editors so WP:3O may be appropriate. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

What is the nature of the dispute? Do you want to change the standard practice for what it means to win a Pulitzer? --22:45, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The dispute is whether to re-re-revert your re-revert, including the statement re who won a Pulitzer. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 00:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

A picture of the Pulitzer presentation to Lisa Song and Elizabeth McGowan and David Hasemyer is on Getty images. I will ask for a WP:3O third opinion tomorrow since the editing remains an unresolved matter between two editors. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

It's great that there's photographic confirmation that ICN journalists won the Pulitzer, I didn't think that was contentious. To be clear, you no longer dispute that is standard practice to credit the institution for a Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting awarded to its journalists, correct? --The Cunctator (talk) 14:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I don't accept your claims. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 13:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I hereby notify The Cunctator that I have filed a request at WP:3O. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Summary for 3O

I have asked for a third opinion.

For the Pulitzer wording, which is better:

(before October 7 2024)

"Established in 2007, the Brooklyn, New York–based website covers environmental issues. In 2013 three of its staff members won a Pulitzer Prize for national reporting on the Kalamazoo River oil spill in Michigan." Citing [1]

(after October 7 2024)

"Established in 2007, the Brooklyn, New York–based organization won a Pulitzer Prize for national reporting on the Kalamazoo River oil spill in Michigan in 2013." Citing the same thing

... And more generally, are the changes in this edit an improvement?Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:17, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Response to third opinion request:

I am responding to a third opinion request for this page. I have made no previous edits on Inside Climate News and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes.

@The Cunctator: & @Peter Gulutzan: While I believe that the changes by The Cunctator are an improvement, regarding the change to "Established in 2007, the Brooklyn, New York–based website...", the sentence present in the article prior to October 7 does seem more compliant with Wikipedia policy. The source we have for this sentence states that "Lisa Song, Elizabeth McGowan and David Hasemyer of Inside Climate News, Brooklyn, NY" won the prize, not the organization itself. We should conform to the sources we have. Regarding the mentions of the prize in other articles, those organizations have received a larger quantity of prizes, and it would therefore be redundant to mention how many were awarded to the organization vs. the staff vs. individuals. Either way, this seems like semantics to me, and both renditions of the article are fine. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:17, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

BerryForPerpetuity Thanks. I have restored the Pulitzer sentence only. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 22:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

BerryForPerpetuity Thanks. The Associated Press reported: "Non-profit website InsideClimate News wins Pulitzer", following standard practice. The New York Times also reported "InsideClimate News, which won a Pulitzer, is a Web site that relies on charitable groups for financing." Time Magazine also reported that "the prize for national reporting went to a low-profile, non-profit website: Brooklyn-based InsideClimate News." I'm updating with those sources. There are many more, many of which are existing references on the page. I sincerely hope this is sufficient to put this to rest. --The Cunctator (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Anybody can counter that by googling "Lisa Song" Pulitzer, or "Elizabeth McGowan" Pulitzer, or "David Hasemyer" Pulitzer, to get sources that the individuals got the prize -- but picking the sources that support one story line shouldn't count. Anybody can make accusations about "grudge" or "bias", as you did -- but that shouldn't count. What should count is a decision whether pulitzer.org is the good source, based on civil seeking for consensus, as you don't.

And you win. I'm too disgusted to continue here. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)